LetsGetAlongerist Coup d’Etat?

That whole Haass thing. The LetsGetAlongerists have been confounded…again.
They have had a bad couple of years.
In 2011, Alliance party gained more power than their mandate deserved? Yet have not actually done anything “progressive” (as the LetsGetAlongerists claim to be). Indeed they have facilitated the DUP-Sinn Fein carve-up.
The Alliance Party is actually a disappointment to the broader LetsGetAlongerist tribe.
UUP continues to be in melt down and NI21, Conservatives are all crowding the liberal unionist “middle ground”.
Haass produced nothing and at least for now the aspirations of academics to get their arses on a Flegs Commission or Truth Commission have been de-railed.
Yet …Flegs, Parades and even the Past….dont seem that important.
So what’s next for LetsGetAlongerists? Well they are talking about a Civic Forum…again.

I like Democracy. Even the flawed version in Norn Iron. I like Manifesto and Mandate.
My gut feeling is that an appointed Civic Forum undermines an elected Assembly.
The advocates of Civic Forum say that an alternate forum provides blue sky thinking, strategic thinking that those dependent on an electoral cycle.
Seductive….but effectively the academics who advocate this are talking about people like themselves….academics, lobbyists, clergy, women, trade unionists…..but only of course the RIGHT KIND ….LetsGetAlongerists.
Is that the next step.
Will LetsGetAlongerists move further away from Democracy…by calling for the suspension of Stormont and call for a Conmission from the Golden Halo of Do-Goodery.
There are I suspect a few of Norn Irons highly political centre ground people who would love to emulate Mr Quisling.

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RAF Recruitment Posters (Derry)

Typical that LetsGetAlongerists are getting all worked up about the SDLP successfully objecting to a Recruitment Poster for the British Air Force (“RAF”) in the Brandywell area of Derry.
Fair play to the SDLP …they know Derry.
I dont know how LetsGetAlongerists would feel about a “Vote SDLP” poster outside Frizzels Fish Shop on the Shankill Road in Belfast….or indeed a “Join the IRA” poster.
Yes youre right…it wouldn’t happen.
And you might even say that its not the same thing at all.
Well….you might be wrong about that.
January in Derry….just a half mile from where fourteen Derry civilians were murdered by British paratroopers in 1972.
Yeah Yeah…tell me the LetsGetAlongerist spiel about how important the Legacy of the Past was and tell me that SDLP in Derry should “get over it”….it was forty one years ago, they might say.
Of course its true that many Catholics in Norn Iron fought for the British in World War Two. Indeed a Victoria Cross holder is in my wife’s wider family circle.
Not that it did him a lot of good after the War ended.

Indeed I had THREE uncles who flew over London during the Battle of Britain in 1940.
Uncle Siegfried, Uncle Helmut, Uncle Wolfgang.

Hmmm 1940….. 2013…..That might be too soon for the LetsGetAlongerists. A tad hypocritical.

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I Welcome The Haass “Failure”

For about an hour on Monday, it seemed quite possible that the Haass Talks would “succeed”. I dont know how Success and Failure is measured but I welcome the “Failure”. Indeed I dont even think they were intended to succeed.
Our Constitution is the 1998 Good Friday Agreement. About 95% of the population in the Republic of Ireland voted for it. As far as can be gathered the same percentage of “northern nationalists” voted for it. And around 54% of “northern unionists” supported the Agreement.
In a Referendum…on the same day…the Good Friday Agreement is the will of the People of Ireland.
Of course it was a product of Creative Ambiguity…and in 1998, the Ambiguity was hailed as a strength. It was a minimalist Agreement, holding out hopes for progress on Policing, Victims, Truth, Justice, Bill of Rights,Irish language, De-Commissioning of Paramilitary weapons, all-Ireland institutions, prisoner releases.
Some…notably Policing…have been dealt with successfully. Others…notably Truth…have been shelved.
In retrospect, it is obvious that an Agreement sold as providing stepping stones to a United Ireland AND a series of obstacles to a United Ireland could not hold. The “unionist” population always wary…and always circling the wagons like pioneers in 1870s Montana or 1970s West Bank…predictably record their “fear”.
The evidence….54%….indicates that unionists gave the Agreement a grudging benefit of the doubt…and with the Agreement in the hands of UUP and SDLP as the majority Northern voices,there was always a degree of pressure to placate unionists…and of course UUP used their own fears to get more concessions than actually in the Agreement.
Let me be clear about this. I voted for the Agreement and for some years after 1993, voted Sinn Fein for entirely private (ie non-political reasons). After the Agreement, I voted SInn Fein on the principle that the SDLP were “giving away too much” to UUP.
Of course there is more. I think the Good Friday Agreement was largely due to SDLP and John Hume particuarly. But I think the Leadership of the SDLP after 1998…Seamus Mallon, Brid Rodgers, Sean Farren and Carmel Hanna were at the end of their careers! tired and weak.
They were certainly sniped at by Sinn Fein, who played their cards better and more energetically.
The UUP was a mirror image. The DUP sniped at David Trimble.
And Sinn Fein played Trimble too…particuarly on De-Commissioning of Weapons.
The SDLP excuse their poor post-Agreement performance…with some justification on the (expected) sniping from nationalist and unionist extremes and being undermined by the Irish, British and American Governments.
But lets look at that. Primarily the implementation of the Good Friday Agreement was in the hands of UUP and SDLP…and frankly “moderates” cannot deliver.
It was extremist Margaret Thatcher who did the deal with Robert Mugabe and Zimbabwe.
It was the Thatcher-Major Governments who initiated and maintained secret contact with the Irish Republican Army.
There is no way Labour could have done these things.
It was Richard Nixon who went to China.
It was Gerald Ford who ended the Vietnam War.
It was Ronald Reagan who ended the Cold War.
Could any Democrat President have done any of this?
It was Prime Minister Begin (the former terrorist-freedom fighter) of Israel who met President Sadat of Egypt.
No Israeli with a record of moderation could have done that.

So we cannot be surprised that UUP and SDLP (a) could not deliver (b) the delivery undermined by local “extremes” and (c) were hung out to dry by Irish, British and American Governments who saw the way things were going.
Of course what we have now,thanks to the St Andrews Agrement and the Hillsborough Agreement are watered down amendments to the Good Friday “Constitution”.
Assembly Elections have put DUP and SF in the driving seat.
Alliance Party…the great hope of LetsGetAAlongerism …is promoted above its mandate to be the client of DUP-SF. Simply put Alliance is a sell-out masquerading as a force for moderation in an extremist Government.
DUP and Alliance have a vested interest in taking UUP out of the political game.
SF and Alliance have a vested interest in taking SDLP out of the game.
DUP and SF co-exist in government in a way that they would never let UUP-SDLP have done.

In recent years, I have voted SDLP. In 2009, it was largely due to my personal a admiration for European Election candidate, Alban Magennis. From 2010, I would say it was on principle…including the fact that SF were selling out in much the same way that they had accused SDLP of doing.
I think SDLP analyse the situation correctly (yes I am a member of the party but hopefully not uncritical).
Consider these statements.
“It is a one-party state with a Green Wing and an Orange Wing.”
“The DUP-SF can veto anything that they disagree about and bulldoze any measure that they agree on thru the Assembly”
Do any of these statements ring true?

Neither DUP or Sinn Fein have any interest in the Flegs Dispute…now a year old and the related Parades Dispute getting out of hand to the extent of bringing down the Government.
Its not a question of DOING something.
Its a question of BEING SEEN TO BE DOING Something.
Call in the Americans.
Dr Richard Haass and Professor Meghan O’Sullivan.
Might as well call in Dr Who and a Companion.
It was a Sham before it ever started.
They were invited to chair discussions on three issues.
Flegs. Parades. The Legacy of the Past.

Is it possible to imagine any scenario in which an internationally respected diplomat and an internationally respected academic are called in to discuss three issues…at least two of which are trivia.
Flegs.
For a century the British Flag has flown over the City Hall in Belfast. Belfast now has more nationalist councillors than unionist councillors. The so called moderates in Alliance Party hold the balance of power. Nationalists vote to remove the Flag but support an Alliance motion to fly it on designated days such as “Royal” birthdays. Instead of grabbing at this compromise, unionists reject it and the loyalist mob take to the streets.
The Designated Days actually force unionists to think.
As they pass the City Hall and see the British Flag, they now have to ask themselves “Who’s Birthday is it to day….Charles, William, Lady Di (deceased). Arguably this should make the “loyalists” more ….”loyal”.
What could we expect from Richard Haass?
No nationalist was going to go back to the old status quo.
Nor was any nationalist going to accept the Alliance favoured solution that the British Flag flies everywhere (including places where it doesn’t fly like Derry and Newry) on designated days.
Everything was a non-starter.
Even…a Commission.
Parades
We have a Parades Commission (£22,000 salary per member….more for the Chair) which rules on (mostly) Orange Parades, issues instructions as to routes, numbers, bands, behaviour….all of which is ignored by organisers of contentious parades.
We have news coverage of bad behaviour…Offensive chanting, music up to and including urinating on the walls of Catholic Churches.
It was ever thus.
All of which is used as evidence by Catholic residents that this is part of a pattern of behaviour which is representative of “Orange Culture” rather than unrepresentative as claimed by unionists.
DUP and UUP were always going to press for the abolition of the Parades Commission but were never going to tolerate the re-branding, especially if linked to a code of behaviour for their “culture”.

The Legacy of the Past.
Ah the Past…I can barely remember it myself.
And indeed with the IRA on ceasefire for nearly two decades, of we reckon a person would need to be 35 years of age to have any meaningful memory of the Troubles Years, half the population have no real memory.
Of course this is not necessarily true in Shankill Road or Falls Road. The people there live with the legacy…as do people in Crossmaglen and Rathcoole. But quite a lot of middle-aged and elderly people in large swathes of Norn Iron barely noticed that there was a Civil War going on. And too many chose to ignore it.
Now it is fashionable for “respectable people” to listen….to stories that have been screamed to their deaf ears for forty odd years.
Now they want to feel MY pain….
They can feck off.
When I was screaming it, they didn’t want to know.
No doubt, some lobbyists, some academics and PhD Research students spent Christmas optimistically telling their family and friends that they might be named on a Commission to look at the Legacy of the Past. Thankfully they are confounded again. Thatg racy train is still in the Station and all that networking at Norn Iron Office receptions and hosting seminars to prove their committment to LetsGetAlongerism has not worked.
Thank GOD.

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It May Not Be A Cross- Community Carol Service…

It may not be a Cross-Community Carol Service…but I like to think of it as MY kinda LetsGetAlongerism.

Cliftonville Football Club versus Linfield Football Club. It is not a promising start is it? Kafflick-supported Reds versus Praddistant-supported Blues.
Nationalist versus Unionist.

So when the chant goes up from the Linfield fans “Sing You Fenian Bastards…Sing”.
The Cliftonville fans reply in song “We wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year”.

Alas no Academic will be writing this into a dissertation.
No Clergyman or Clergywoman will be delivering a sermon on it.
And William Crawley will not be dedicating ten minutes on “Sunday Sequence” to it.

But thats how to deal with Sectarianism (Racism, Sexism and Homophobia).

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So Farewell Then Glyn Roberts

Well that didnt last long.
Just ten days after being appointed to the Parades Commission…salary £22,000 per annum…Glyn Roberts, the Chief Executive of the Independent Retailers Federation has resigned from the Commission.
Why?
There was some speculation (this Blog passim) that it represented a change of direction by the British Government…not overly satisfied with the previous Commission and it has been noted here and indeed on Slugger O’Toole that Roberts had given interviews (wearing his Retailers hat) about Parades.
It was also noted that Roberts was Chair of Alliance Party in 2012-2013.
Oddly the previous Chair of the Parades Commission (Peter Osborne) is a previous Chair of the Alliance Party.
The Alliance Party are really….talented.

Indeed some commenters (previous members of Alliance Party themselves perhaps) have noted how talented Roberts is.
So we must respect the decision of Glyn Roberts.
Will he ever get appointed to another Quango?
Maybe …like a bus…another Quango….will be along in a minute.

John Taylor…now “Lord Somebody” is hardly my favourite UUP politician.
But he was asking questions in “House of Lords” about the appointment of a political figure to the Parades Commission.

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Haassta La Vista Baby!

So farewell then Dr Richard Haass. And his charming assistant, Professor Meghan O’Sullivan.
As I write this…almost 1pm on 23rd December there is no agreement on “Flags, Parades and The Past”.
Two questions. Was there ever likely to be one (or indeed three seperate agreements)? And from a nationalist perspective is an agreement desirable?

We have danced around Conflict Resolution and the Past for fifteen years. We are…arguably doing “something” albeit in a piecemeal and contradictory way. The Police Ombudsman investigates wrong-doing in the old RUC (and the Retired RUC types are not overly co-operative). The PSNI Historical Enquiry Team are turning up (limited) stuff…which at least points to the organisations (RUC/British, UVF/UDA, Irish Republican Army) involved.
Enquiries such as Saville have revealed the “truth” about Bloody Sunday.
I resent the notion that Saville revealed “truth”. We all KNEW the Truth for four decades. As we did with McGurks Bar (a new Truth narrative has been established) and we know the Truth about the Ballymurphy Massacre …a subject close to my heart…but it has not yet been OFFICIALLY established.
We dance around the Truth because of Creative Ambiguity.
No party to the Conflict…British, unionist, republican…really wants the truth to be revealed. The Civil Servants and Military Men on good British pensions hold enough Dirt on the British political Establishment to block any real investigation or revelation.
Likewise too many in the old RUC, loyalist murder gangs or Guys in the Felons blubber know too much about their political associates.
The tariff of two years jail time for offences committed before 1998…is effectively an incentive to keep the Peace. Increasingly, its unlikely that people will be charged because of simple matters like lost evidence, memory of witnesses and the passing of Time.
We have had an unannounced Amnesty for fifteen years.
It was first used as a measure to keep the paramilitaries on board with the Peace Process and is now embedded. Rather than being a threat to paramilitaries, the reality is that the Process NEEDS the paramilitaries.
Of course the other side of the coin…is the Victims.
There is a mantra that nothing has been done for Victims.
The truth is that a lot has been done for SOME Victims and very little for other Victims.
The old RUC for example managed to negotiate themselves very large pay offs…money to disappear.
The Peace Process has been a very uneven affair.
Tinkering with it amplifies the imbalance.
Everything we did fifteen years ago was for the Common Good …1998 Version.
Everything we talk about now is for the Common Good…2013 Version.

Likewise Orange Parades. These are quasi-fascists who we must tolerate. It goes too far to facilitate them and humour them. And much too far to support them. In a genuinely civilised society…the Orange Order would be a marginalised relic of an uncivilised Past. Like the Ku Klux Klan in Old Dixie.

Likewise Flegs. Belfast is no longer the jewel in the Unionist Crown. But not quite a Nationalist city. Sinn Fein and SDLP voted to remove the British Flag from the City Hall on 365 Days of the Year…and agreed to a compromise from Alliance that it flies on designated days such as “Prince Williams” birthday.
Unionists of course should have embraced this compromise. Instead they rejected it and Haass-O’Sullivan are brought over to bail them out.
A Question….just how many Fleggers know the “Royal Birthdays” without looking up Wikipedia.

What compromise can possibly be arranged around Flegs?
Designated Days enshrined in Law …flying the British Flag …on around twenty days a year…including those nationalist councils like Newry and Derry …where no flag flies.
Why would Sinn Fein or SDLP agree to that?

Are Unionists ever going to recognise the Irish Flag on any public building…I have never even seen it fly from a Belfast hotel.
The simple fact is that the most hyped Decade of Centenaries flounders on this kinda nonsense.
Sooner or later Dominic Bryan from QUB will be heading up some cobbled together Commission to look into Flegs.
The reality is that the Emergency Call that went out to Richard Haass is a hoax call.
DUP and Sinn Fein need each other too much to allow the Government and/or Assembly to collapse and the Haass role is not to find a solution but to provide some respite.
Council Elections take place in May 2014….SF will claim they held firm against DUP. DUP will claim they held firm against SF.

Complete Nonsense.

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New Fleg?

You can never have enough Flegs. Especially in Bonfire Season.
So a new Fleg for Norn Iron.?
I suspect it will be designed by a Protestant Boy and a Catholic Girl from an Integrated Education-type School.
Alternatively it might be a Catholic Boy and a Protestant Girl.
Thats how these things work.

In fact, the sole purpose of Integrated Education is to supply photogenic children for “feel good” news stories on BBC and UTV.
Also handy for making presentations to Foreign dignatories such as Mrs Windsor, Queen of England.
And a Christmas School Choir….

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Congratulations Glyn Roberts

Glynn or is it Glynn (could not be arsed checking) is a familiar face at Conferences (not just SDLP) that I have attended in the past few years. He is generally to be found in the Exhibition area with his wee stall promoting Independent Retailers.
And now he is appointed to the Parades Commission.
Interesting appointment.
I hope people better resourced than me look up any statements made by the business community in respect of Parades and related issues….
Roberts is seemingly the only person on the new Commission that has been involved in recent party political activity…..Chair of the Alliance Party (2012-13)
By a happy coincidence the outgoing Chair of the Parades Commission is Peter Osborne who was Chair of the Alliance Party in the late 1990s and an Alliance Party councillor in Castlereagh.

How lucky we are to have the Alliance Party who have a supply of public spirited citizens who generously give their time to serve on Quangos.
On a completely unrelated matter….is there a salary for all this?
Congratulations to the other appointees, who also seem to have an enviable track record in community service.
Sometimes we appear too ungrateful.

But the key is whether the new Commission will be more under the control of Theresa Villiers’ people at the Norn Iron Office.
She did seem in rather a hurry to get rid of the outgoing Commission.

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Mandela

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What can you say about Nelson Mandela? I think it depends on your age. It is generational. You might be 21…31…41…51. Or you might be 61 as I am and a “news junkie” and “political anorak” for half a century.
The strange thing is that I can remember some very unlikely news stories. In my granny’s house, I surprised my family my saying “Thats Mr McMillan” as the British Prime Minister arrived at Moscow Airport. He was wearing a Russian style fur hat. I was probably six years old.
And thats how it was in the early 1960s. News stories read by Robert Dougal, Richard Baker and Kenneth Kendall on the BBC News. Checkpoint Charlie and the building of the Berlin Wall,George Wallace standing up for segregation in Alabama and the assassination of Henkik Vorwoerdt the South African Prime Minister.
Every so often my father should bring back a copy of American magazine TIME. I think a customer always gave him old copies and I remember the big foreign stories seemed to be Indo-China.
Its odd that in fifty years those issues are resolved…the Berlin Wall has fallen. Integration is the norm in Alabama schools. There is majority rule in South Africa. And Indo-China is now a unified Vietnam.
It is odd that I dont actually recall the name Nelson Mandela from that precise time frame. Even in the more broad context of Colonial Southern Africa…I can recall the breakup in the mid 1960s of the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyassaland. The unlikely name of the British Governor…Roy Welensky still means something to me.
Nyassaland became Malawi. Northern Rhodesia became Zambia. Southern Rhodesia declared (white dominated) Rhodesia under Ian Smith….”Good Old Smithy”, kith and kin of British conservatives and favourite of the British Conservative Media.
Yet oddly it was thru Sport that South Africa started to enter the public arena. White only “Springbok” Rugby and Cricket teams were demonstrated against in Britain and Ireland. And Basil D’Doliveira the best South African cricketer of his generation was not eligible to play for South Africa. Emigrating to Britain, he qualified for England and was not selected to visit South Africa on tour…the English Cricket authorities not wishing to offend their hosts.
I really think it was only at that time …late 1960s…that the name “Nelson Mandela” started to resonate with me. An activist in the 1950s, who gave up on peaceful persuasion and advocated armed struggle…its a familiar enough anti-imperialist story. He was imprisoned for “terrorism” in the early 1960s and frankly being routinely described as a “terrorist” on BBC was par for the course.
Again a familiar enough story. Freedom Fighter or Terrorist? You never really know until the struggle is over so that “terrorists” like Jomo Kenyatta and Archbishop Makarios (in 1950s Kenya and Cyprus) get to defeat the British and become respected leaders of the Commonwealth and get members of the British “Royal Family” at their funerals.
Thats how it goes.
And interesting to watch the BBC in the 1970s and 1980s.
The ANC and Rhodesian people fighting white Governments were ….GUERRILLAS.
The Irish fighting the British were…..TERRORISTS.
The Palestinians fighting Israel…..were a curious hybrid.

In the 1970s there was a growing awareness of Nelson Mandela. I joined the Anti-Apartheid Movement. I was an off and on member for the best part of a decade. I think part of me wanted to be “right on” but it seemed a safe (proxy) kind of political awareness.
Cue the songs.
“Free Nelson Mandela” (The Specials)
“Give Me Hope Joanna” (Eddy Grant)
…I wonder if all that Awareness in the 1980was as much to do with a reaction against Margaret Thatcher…a supporter of the Apartheid Regime. Maybe those concerts and those Tshirts were as much to do with British Politics as Sputh African Politics.
Of course at the same time the Federation of Conservative Students were producing their own Tshirts “Hang Nelson Mandela” which echoed the sentiment of the Party as a whole. Wouldn’t it be interesting if photographs emerged from that time to embarrass present-day senior Tories.
Of course Global Politics played a part. If the Russians backed ANC or Palestinians (good causes) then necessarily the British and Americans were in the other camp.
Since the fall of the USSR, the “West” has been falling over themselves to embrace Nelson Mandela.
Of course after the hard liners…the South African Whites…found P W deKlerk. Mandela was seen as the Solution rather than the Problem.
And …THAT Sunday we saw him walk to Freedom.
He freed the Oppressed and freed the Opressor.
He was re-made as the Great Reconciliator.

It is OK for everyone (even David Caumeron) to profess admiration for Nelson Mandela. Whether Tories are genuine about that is a different matter. And even OK for DUP and UUP, the worst kind of imperialists to praise him. Nelson Mandela made it easy for them.
Yet there is slightly too much jumping on the bandwagon.
For Nelson Mandela was four things in his lifetime.
Civil Rights Advocate.
Freedom Fighter/Terrorist.
Prisoner (27 years).
Peacemaker.

I think we can confidently dismiss the unionist-loyalist praise. The Unionists and loyalists had common cause with the Apartheid Regime.
Indeed loyalist gunmen tried to assassinate a South African-born Queens University academic. On the instructions of the South African Intelligence Service.
Loyalists to their credit wont even try to identify with Mandela.

But how are we to gauge Sinn Fein and SDLP claiming Mandela as “one of us”.
SDLP can claim that they too have a Nobel Peace Prize Winner.
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But John Hume was in fact a much more consistent Peacemaker. He was never a member of a freedom fighter/terrorist organisation.
Am I condemning Mandela when I say that?
I dont think so.
The ANC had no real option in the early 1960s.
I would like to be absolutist about non-violence. I am not. The years 1969-1972, I would not like to re-visit. But there WAS a time when violence in Norn Iron ceased to be legitimate.
You may be a nationalist who reads this and says “never, never, never”.
More likely after the fall of Stormont (1972), Sunningdale (1973), Hunger Strikes (1981) or whatever, you might feel that it cease to be legitimate long before the Good Friday Agreement in 1998.
Of course you might legitimately say it should never have started in the first place but I think most reasonable people would say it all went on too long.
While Mandela radiated dignity from his prison cell, Im not totally convinced that smearing your H Block Cell with excrement is dignified.
There is only a limited extent to which Gerry Adams can be passed off as Norn Irons Mandela. For a start he has…he tells us…no history as a freedom fighter/terrorist. So he has only talked the talk and never walked the walk.
Likewise the number of months Gerry has spent in prison does not really compare the twenty seven years that Nelson Mandela spent on Robbin Island.
And Gerry and Sinn Feins commitment to revealing the Past does not seem to compare to Mandela.
I emphasise that I am not being judgemental…just a bit at Sinn Feins “tweets”.
For example, the tribute to Mandela paid by SDLP Leader, Alasdair McDonnell is ridiculed by no less than Danny Morrison, the former Sinn Fein publicity guru.
Morrison reminds us that SDLP voted in favour of the “Special Advisors Bill” which means that Paul Kavanagh lost his job. Rather oddly, Morrison claims Kavanagh is a victim of Apartheid.
Catch yourself on Danny.
Nelson Mandela and Paul Kavanagh together….victims of Apartheid….and victims of Danny Morrisons hyperbole.

But a thought.
Vietnam…Berlin Wall…Alabama….South Africa….those issues that seemed impossible to solve in the 1960s HAVE been solved. Solved because somebody WON and somebody LOST.
Meanwhile decades of talks on Palestine-Israel have led nowhere.
And fifteen years since the Good Friday Agreement, where are we?

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LetsGetAlongerists…Progressives?

I note Ian Parsley (formerly Alliance Party, then Unionist-Tory, now Alliance again) is talking about a third pillar in Norn Iron Politics.
Mr Parsley calls these people “Progressives”.
Are these the people that I have been known to describe as “LetsGetAlongerists”?

I must conclude that “Progressives” is some kinda Parody.
We should stick to the less prejudicial term “LetsGetAlongerists”.

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