Snow Chipping Away At Loyalist Culture

Bad weather tonight.

The Snow has meant that the loyalist mobs have had to cancel their protests. A lack of commitment …if you ask me.

I think it sets a precedent. Loyalists don’t like bad weather. I am proposing that we move the 12th July to January. This should totally end all Orange marches within three years. I fully expect that the Alliance Party will table a compromise that the Twelfth be moved to February. While SDLP and Sinn Fein might agree to this compromise and the Alliance Party might stop congratulating themselves on their amazing political acumen if the loyalists find that the compromise isn’t so brilliant.

Protesting and Rioting seem to be loyalist “culture”. And it has been viciously attacked by….Snow.

How will loyalists react? Organise a mass picket of the Met Office….obviously.

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14 Responses to Snow Chipping Away At Loyalist Culture

  1. ardmajell55 says:

    FJH. I think the real reason they haven’t got the commitment as you say, and the penny has dropped that the protests are getting nowhere. As To the antics on the Nolan Show, there was a lot of editing to be done on all the swearing and calls of ‘Fenian Bastards [in one case said to a liberal mined Protestant siiting in front of the one who shouted at her] who criticized the riots.

    • it’s a good point but I don’t actually agree with it.
      we can’t say for certain that the penny has dropped or that Nolan was some kinda game-changer.
      almost since the vote was taken in early December, the very worst elements of loyalist were loose on the streets.
      It is a bit like that Russian “grandmother” doll…open it up…another granny…then another.
      The most respectable aspect of unionism (liberal unionist) is the biggest doll…then the DUP….then TUV…then UDA/UVF ….and so right down to the smallest doll….the mindless mob. That’s unionism.
      put them all back together and it looks respectable.
      and I think this is the danger of thinking that we should now allow it all be put back together.
      I don’t think that tactically or strategically it is a good thing for republicans/ nationalism.
      All forms of unionism….and I include the LetsGetAlongerist Alliance Party have massively screwed up and undid all the good that was done back in the Summer with the Jubilee and Olympics which portrayed an aspect of Britishness which was positive.
      Obviously this started to unravel with the autumns controversial parades and I would argue the Covenant and now the Flegs issue has made it all threadbare.
      If we accept that the penny has dropped it gives all shades of unionism….Alliance to mob….to get their act together. Republicans and nationalists should not allow that to happen.
      We can see the process already.
      The BBC…echoed on Slugger…reports that Flegs is not such a big deal on the Falls Road.
      Look out for the inevitable Belfast Telegraph opinion poll which will get three or four threads from the usual suspects on Slugger O’Toole.
      The choreography is taking shape.
      In this blog post…letsgetalongerists would suggest that I am taking cheap shots…and yes I am….and will continue to do so. There’s a lot of Twitter-stuff tonight which pokes fun at the protestors and the snow….and letsgetalongerists will say its not helpful.
      But I think that letsgetalongerists/unionists/mob have screwed up….and all will say that we must draw a line with pious talk about for the good of the community….but that just gets people off the hook and allows them to further THEIR agenda.

      • factual says:

        My only thought reading these comments is that people north of the border still haven’t moved on. We in Dublin, and people in GB, have moved on but still people north of the boder are talking about us and them. Shouldn’t pepople north of the border get away from this us and them stuff? You are all one society really, and no side of the community up there can operate in a vacuum. You are a systemic whole, and once that is recognised then a move a way from us and them is the only way forward.

  2. bangordub says:

    I agree, the penny is slowly dropping that the protests have not reversed the flag decision and are merely isolating unionism.
    In a sense this whole episode has chrystalised how poorly led and devoid of any coherent strategy they are.

    • But…we can’t let them off the hook.

      • factual says:

        The impressive thing here is how a community response came forward and called for an end to the protest. Not the politicians who were next to useless. But the ordinary people in the protestant community. That is to be praised.

        It is important now to do more building work that brings together the two communities north of the border. There is a real need to focus on steps that will integrate the two sides. How are we in Dublin ever to be persuaded to administer NI if it is so divided and costly to run?

  3. James says:

    The protests are getting them snow-where and simply ice-olating them from moderate unionists who found their argument flakey to beginning. Ill stop there I’m on thin ice already

  4. When I worked on Flat 6 in the Mater, loyalists did a rooftop protest in the Crum. It kept us all entertained on an evening shift to watch them. But lo and behold, some rain fell and the little dears went back inside.

    See, they have no 1916, no hunger strikers, no evidence of commitment to the cause. They can kill but they cannot die with dignity, we can. That scares the hell out of them.

    • In fairness I wouldn’t say Unionists/Loyalists have no “1916”. They have the Somme, the Battle of the Boyne and the Siege of Derry. The difference is those things happened within the context of some form of a British state and as part of wider British/European conflicts. This largely strips Unionism of a political or cultural history of “liberation” or self-sacrifice outside of loyalty to the British state. On the contrary Unionism is indelibly associated with a history of invasion, colonisation and imperial service. Things that have been deeply unfashionable in Western culture and society for decades. I do believe this cripples Unionism as an ideology, aside from its own inherent anachronistic flaws and contradictions.

      No university student in Europe or the US is ever going to have a UVF or UFF poster on their wall. And if they do they are probably going to have a Combat-18 or Aryan Nation one there too.

      • factual says:

        I think that many would look to 1912 as their moment of liberation.

      • factual says:

        That said you have to remember that for most of them 1939-1945 would be a major moment in their liberation narrative.

      • Sorry I did reply to this sooner.
        I was distracted today by too many silly comments.Inthink there is a generational shift…again.
        Certainly when I was young in 1960s most British children’s culture was based around comics like the Hotspur and the Victor..and WW2 action.
        But just a little further back there is between the wars culture of Biggles or even Billy Bunter with a casual racism which would be unacceptable today.
        Of course in Victorian or Edwardian times there were imperialist heroes….Bulldog Drummond, Sherlock Holmes, Alan Quatermain but it would he impossible today to celebrate anything by say Rider Haggard and Rudyard Kipling….except of course as irony.
        Vaguely in early 1960s I remember a Sunday night BBC series called Tales From Kipling….I must check that on Wikipedia….as I can remember nothing except the title…..
        early 1970s there was a series called The Regiment set in the Raj…it starred Christopher Cazenove.
        when was the sea change.
        It’s impossible for me to watch ZULU with Michael Caine without cheering on the Zulus. An Irish thing. But I suspect the mid 1960s audience regarded Rorkes Drift as proud.
        Yet within 10 or 15 years, there was a balance which reflected changing times. ZULU DAWN was about a British defeat Islandwana and yet I’d think a sizeable proportion of people in the cinema were on the Zulu side.
        The late 1970s was different.
        At that stage, there would be no point in trying to produce something that said anything good about imperialism.
        At a seminar in Ulster Museum in March 2011…it was about Conflict Resolution and Culture….a full report of this is archived…prolly Aug or Sept 2011… On this Blog.
        Is it just that SUFFERING produces better Art…drama, books, cinema etc? the case could be made that the Irish produce great Culture.
        But I’d say that SHAME is a factor that there is no great Loyalist Culture.
        Imperialism quite rightly produces SHAME.
        A playwright…can’t remember his name…it is in the Blog I wrote…said at the Seminar that in working with loyalist community groups he just gets requests to write yet another play about the Somme.

  5. factual says:

    I think the comments about the snow – humorous.

    But the real credit here is surely due to those community workers in East Belfast who assembled and called upon the violence to stop. Well done and good to see community level politics in action north of the border.

    In Dalkey (where I am from) there is often a lack of real politics on the ground of this sort that we see in East Belfast.

    Its also interesting that north of the border in protestant communities that it is not the politicians, but rather community workers, who are doing the good work.

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