Yesterday I attended a seminar at the Farset International House…on Capital Assets Transfer. It was first notified last week on the “Slugger O’Toole” website and I was susprised that such a relatively obscure subject was given such weight. Unusually in my experience, there was a lunch provided even though it was just a morning event. Originally I had other plans for yesterday but was able to re-arrange something and notified my intention to attend.
The seminar was organised by the James Rowntree Trust who have sponsored research into the subject at Queens University Belfast. Stratagem the Belfast based lobby group has JFT on their client list. And Stratagem has “the ear of Slugger O’Toole”, Norn Irons previously independent website. I have to say that I attended for two reasons…an interest in Capital Assets Transfer itself……and an interest in how all this comes together.
It is of course generally known that JFT is a major donor to the Alliance Party. I had always assumed that the donations were within reason but was surprised that the amounts donated over past few years is a staggering £98,000. I am indebted to the blog “Hearts of Oak and Steel” for this figure..
While there is no up to date client list on the Stratagem website, there is interesting information available on clients advised in previous years. The Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission is a client. Healing Thru Remembering is a recipient of Rowntree money. Cross-Border peace initiatives are also supported by Rowntree. The Rowntree Trust relies on advice from Stratagem in respect of its Norn Iron donations. I note there is a moratorium on some funding to the Republic of Ireland.
All of this might explain the protective moderation policy which Slugger O’Toole seems to employ in respect of certain criticism of “lets get alongerist” threads. I dont mind anyone having an agenda. I certainly have one. But lets not pretend we are authorative or independent.
I was not overly impressed by the rhetoric of empowerment. People who talk about empowering others are usually in the business of empowering themselves. At times the seminar seemed like one of those seminars about pyramid selling. The Sky was the limit. A community in Humberside put together a business plan (and could get funding of £100 million) to buy the Humber Bridge. And whole islands were owned by Scottish community groups?
There was of course much talk about the poor and dispossessed but few in the room struck me as poor and dispossessed. The cuts in benefits will apparently necessitate communities looking out for themselves……….which is interesting in the week that the Alliance Party bankrolled by the Rowntree Trust could not bring themselves to vote against benefit cuts.
The word “empowerment” is much overused. Thatcher “empowered” council house tenants to own their own homes……is that a good example? She “empowered” members of building societies to become shareholders. Another triumph? A community buying up assets……is that just the latest development which will enrich a few……the people driving it all.
There is a hard nosed “business” case. There is a “community good” case. But they dont sit well together. Indeed Brendan Murtagh from QUB made the point that there were three types of transfer……..one which is essentially the community as “a steward”, one where the issue is “community development” and the third which is an “entrepeneural” case……hmmm that last one worries an old socialist so much. I cant even spell “entrepeneur” and I refuse to use spell check.
I am not totally against “the third sector”………Community Sector is just as important as the Public Sector and even ……God forgive me………the Private Sector. But I tend to worry about middle class people who intend to empower the working class by becoming just like them.
Of course in Norn Iron, the three sectors have a mistrust of each other. That is unfortunate because good work is done by all. I have often heard regular politicians speak of their suspicions that “community groups” undermine them. And certainly from the floor yesterday there was some anti-politician and anti-civil service rhetoric. Thats to be expected……but just for the record, I am a taxpayer and not exactly thrilled at the notion that politicians and civil services give away or sell cheaply assets which already belong to me.
Certainly in Norn Iron the situation is a little more strained by the development of “community groups” over the years. Sometimes it seems that there are more community groups than people.
From my jaundiced eye, community groups first emerged in the 1970s. In the darkened streets and “Northern Ireland Housing Executive” estates, people leafleted houses stating “we have formed a tenants association”…totally unrepresentative and little more than a front for politically motivated groups such as The Workers Party and Sinn Féin.
Of course they and other less politically motivated groups got off the ground and certainly in the 1990s were able to get their collective snouts into the trough of grant aid…whether from Britain, Ireland, Europe or the United States. There is no shortage of charities, Trusts and governments anxious to throw money at “Northern Irelands” problems.
Indeed………with Capital Assets Transfer……”grants” do become an issue. With assets transferred, community groups become people of property and as such cannot actually go round with the begging bowl to the gullible on two continents. Their “assets” might disqualify them for grants but might be useful in the financial world. …getting a loan from a bank.
Put crudely there are some groups more at ease with “grants” than “repayable loans”.
Thankfully not all groups can be dismissed as scroungers. Indeed most are useful. But I do not like the “Humber Bridge” example. Small is Good.
Take the example of the “Northern Ireland Housing Executive” the public sector rental home provider. With 90,000 homes…….they have already transferred assets……34 commercial assets, 24 land transfers and 320 residential units. The NIHE representative at the seminar gave an interesting presentation showing the good use to which some of these had been put. For example, converting a shop to a meeting place for residents or for “activity centres” for youths, “after school groups”, “creches”………….and of course these are very beneficial for the community ………turning round the image of estates, making them desirable places to live, raising aspirations and providing employment for local people.
Essentially there are two ways of looking at Capital Assets Transfer. One is not far removed from David Camerons “Big Society” idea…..a conservative model which sees locals providing services (eg libraries) which are at present in the hands of a cash-strapped public sector. The other model is essentially a socialist model which genuinely empowers the working class. From my perspective, I of course identify with the socialist ideal but fear this whole process has been driven by a capitalist agenda.
For example……….the question of “crown estates” (ie properties and lands currently owned by the government) and forestry land or water resources is a much bigger issue. My feeling is that the NIHE model of helping the working class is being used as a fig leaf to enable “big” communities to get their hands on extremely valuable assets for profit.
But………..seemingly there will be a need for capital assets transfer (supported by Rowntree) because the public sector wont provide because of government cuts. In an unrelated move the Alliance Party (bankrolled by Rowntree) cant bring themselves to vote against cuts to benefits.
Now that doesnt add up. Or does it?
Despite the best efforts of Slugger O’Toole…..indeed extraordinary efforts by Slugger O’Toole…….the debate has hardly been noticed on its website. Nobody cares. Which is a pity because unless we take action to advance SOME capital asset transfer and take action to stop SOME other schemes, we will sleepwalk into Capital Asset Transfer being a reality.
But Slugger does not want a real debate. Slugger wants a phoney debate. Indeed contributions to the debate were encouraged from those who attended yesterdays seminar……..because seemingly they have a degree of expertise (and I would argue self interest!!!) and seemingly the general Slugger commentator has no real insight.
I never noticed the low number of comments in the CAT pieces on Slugger until I saw it mentioned here. Very interesting, thanks for pointing it out.
The much heralded “Online Debate” did not take place. A damp squib as clearly Sluggers readership had no interest.
The reason WHY……..is probably more interesting…….but any comment along that line would be ruled irrelevant.
The CONSEQUENCE of this lack of interest is also more interesting.
A lack of interest probably makes it easier for the “capitalist” and “big” transfers to take place…….while hypocritically holding up the examples from Housing Executive estates……I think I used the phrase “fig leaf”.
It is the duty of a lobbying company to turn a “non issue” into an “issue”.
In my view the REAL story here is NOT Capital assets Transfer……but the relationship between Slugger & Stratagem (described on Stratagems website as a “partner”).
Clearly some threads on Slugger are “Stratagem inspired”……thats their job……getting their message, agenda and clients “out there”.
Nobody should have any objection to that…….although clearly that is embarrassingly undermined by over-protection of some threads.
Yes and clearly Quinton Oliver commented as though he felt at home there, but so what? A partner in one thing is not necessarily a partner in everything. Let Pete Baker card him for impertinence, he’s good at that.
The subject is hardly the stuff of sparkling political repartee and is probably the reason so many ‘deals’ slide through the system unnoticed.
Where to start? So you went to a seminar advertised on Slugger and did not see a ding dong argument played out as is usual the case on slugger and are therefore disappointed? You make some good points on here but why did you not make them at the seminar itself? It’s clear to me that for this event Slugger are contracted to do a bit of work and see if new technology and social media can be used to start a debate on an issue other than the usual tribal bullshit. It’s not a secret that Quintin Oliver of Stratagem is also the NI representative of the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.
“I am a taxpayer and not exactly thrilled at the notion that politicians and civil services give away or sell cheaply assets which already belong to me.”
Yes – but here’s the deal- and you’re missing the point – many people that profess this are more than happy when the assets are sold to the private sector.
There are many examples of assets here that are not being used properly. I take the example local to me of the walled garden and arboretum in castlewellan forest park – allowd to fall into rack and ruin by forest service with no invetsment over decades whereby local people now want investment and restoration and other models of ownership to be explored. Since when did being a socialist equate to being a statist?
It is entirely possible to concieve of models of asset transfer where assets are protected for public and community use in perpetuity, where theye are imrpoved and become the focus for improved services by community groups and the public sector. I plan to blog
on Slugger later. Any why the pejorative comment about the community owned islands in Scotland? Don’t you think it’s true , theer are many examples of community democratic ownership of ports, wind energy initiatives, shops etc.
Are you one of these socialists that believes community groups and charities should stick to the small stuff and leave the experts in the provate sector to the real important stuff and the profits that go with that?
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Not surprisingly, there is no link to this Blog. And no mention of Stratagem. And no mention of Rowntree (whether Foundation, Trust or Fruit Pastilles).
My record with getting posts published on Slugger O’Toole (partner of Stratagem) is not good…..the last one took 9 days or 11 days.
Erm, you have that wrong too John. The link to this blog was published with a hotlink on the word ‘quoting’.
As for publishing on Slugger, the door is always open, particularly at this time when I actually have a budget to work with. Some of the contributors to this current debate are currently on their third draft. Some things are worth taking time to say well and effectively.
I did open the door last Monday to all comers. And it remains open, particularly to healthy sceptics. I very much endorse Pippikin’s view that too many things are slid through the dark. This is about opening up conversation not all parts of which can be or ought to be controlled.
I was delighted to see you in the crowd on Thursday and sorry we didn’t get a chance to say hello…
Happy to put that right on Twitter in a few
You will know that I have posted four times on Slugger O’Toole, partner of Stratagem. And on two of those occasions you have had to intervene personally (and Im grateful) to get me thru the Slugger O’Toole, partner of Stratagem publishing. On one occasion it took 9 to 11 days for you to sort it out (I believe you were on holiday)
There is precious little point in commenting on any Slugger O’Toole, partner of Statagem sacred cow….as my “ad hominem” attack (???) on the Cross Border Institutes shows.
More importantly afew months ago I received a mis-directed email from a Slugger “core” person which indicated that I am not exactly valued.
The point in my overlong blog was two fold…..I set that out……an interest in the subject itself and how an “unsexy” topic became so promoted.
With respect I think that even if I had tried to post an edited version on Slugger O’Toole, partner of Stratagem…….my references to Stratagem, Rowntree (Trust/Foundation) would not have passed moderation.
The better option is to stick to the general and not go even mildly critical of a “touchstone” issue or person (it is possible to do that without playing the man).
Also sorry that we didnt get a chance to say hello at the seminar.
But I was a little disconcerted by your appeal to the room that they “get on Slugger” because they know more about this than the “general Slugger commentator”.
I am paraphrasing of course………and maybe thats another thing I got wrong…..but certainly it crossed my mind that you were thinking “OMG, FJH is going to post some crappy comment about this”.
What I said was that we have a commenter group that is very comfortable commenting on the big ticket politics of Northern Ireland and a policy network that does not converse publicly enough to share what insights they might have.
It’s not for the regular generalists like yourself to pipe down, but for the policy guys to commit themselves to a public conversation. And I’m pretty open to where that conversation happens, be it on Slugger, your blog or Twitter.
It goes without saying, some might say that getting the name of the Foundation wrong is an indication that those fears, if I had them, were surely realised? 😉
Oh I didnt get it THAT wrong.
FitzJHorse, would you mind dropping me an email to the address attached to this comment. I’m working on an organagram showing links of the various Rowntree trusts into Irish politics – a real spiderweb of agenda based funding. Would appreciate your pointers/thoughts. Cheers, Mark.
I sent you an email seperately. Let me know if you have not received it. Will compose some thoughts later.